Physics is God?
A repeat airing [6/2/16] about the Big Bang on Science
Channel’s How the Universe Works, a physicist (not Michio Kaku, who was
prominent in the show) said “It [the Big Bang] is almost magic -- the key word
is almost. It's allowed by the laws of physics.”
That is as close to a religious statement, without being
intently religious related, as one might find in a holy text.
But what struck me, and I’ve commented on this before, is
that the scientists talking about the Big Bang (not Michio Kaku however) had a
look in their eyes and gesticulations that were reminiscent of religious
ecstats, some even appearing delusional with fanatic glee.
(When I visited Eloise Hospital – a Wayne County, Michigan
hospital for the insane – during my psychology training, I saw those same eyes
and gestures aplenty, among the “residents” of the facility.)
That creation could arise ex nihilo is beyond
science. It’s a possibility if we have a God (or Supreme Intelligence) in
charge of existence, or if the Universe and all of reality is a simulation,
happening at the whim of what we could call a Super Programmer, or God.
I’m asking you to seek out the show, online, to see what I’m
getting at.
The kind of irrational – and it is irrational – thinking
provided by astrophysicists, as exampled in the Science program is what drove
me from Astrophysics in college.
The premise – creation from nothing – is flawed, much as schizophrenic premises are flawed but often seem to have a logical following if one accepts
the flawed premise, one of the fallacies of logic, as UFO notable Richard Hall
always bemoaned, about the thinking of UFO buffs at UFO UpDates and elsewhere.
But I’ll take a cockamamie stance from a ufologist long
before I’ll take the ravings of cosmologists about the Big Bang.
RR


18 Comments:
Could be profound thinking for sure: The Question. It goes back to the separation of faith and science. I promise to review it.
If elements react with each other to form compounds that, in turn, react with other compounds repeatedly in even a possible progression to a self-sustaining state then science has it. If that is not reasonable then, for 'God's sake' what?
As the popular refrain goes, "Don't take me there."
BD
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Bryan Daum, at Thursday, June 02, 2016
The concept of Planck Time, allowing the formation of matter without mass and everything else inside the first second, of creation from nothing is insanity on the face of it.
As much as I hate to admit it, there has to be a God [defined in a number of ways].
Of course, this has little or nothing to do with UFOs, but there it is.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, June 02, 2016
If there is a God, then who created Her?
God and/or gods are invented by the religious to explain what is probably unexplainable. Due to your mainly European fundamentalist religious origins, Americans seem particularly rusted on to this mindset.
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Anonymous, at Friday, June 03, 2016
The concept of God is not to "explain what is probably not explainable".
In fact, if you look at all of today's legitimate religions (not UFO religions) they are based on (if not directly identical to) their ancient counterparts.
God is the supreme being that made everything, including humans (by choice not by accident).
Even Rome abandoned a pantheon of gods in favor of one God.
Faith in one's religion is not about explaining the fundamentals of science, but the pursuit of a relationship with your maker.
Physics isn't God, but he sure did make physics a part of his creation.
I feel too often people claim there is conflict between religion and science when none really exists. Science is the study of how God assembled his creation. It's there for us to explore and to ponder.
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Brian B, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Brian..
I'd like to make clear that I use the word God as a short cut sobriquet for the intelligent force -- Klaatu in The Day the Earth Stood Still called it the Almighty Spirit -- that seems to have created existence.
It's much easier, for me, to see an intelligence behind reality -- whatever that reality may be.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Friday, June 03, 2016
RR's quotation is from Season 3 Episode 4, "First Second of the Big Bang," for those who want to watch. I'll download and watch but such programs are most often far too general to shed any new light on a subject that has rightly held the popular imagination for decades. The fact that we can and do know such things is an absolute wonder in itself, without our knowing it would be nothing but a universe of random cosmic violence.
The Big Bang is one of the most thoroughly tested and repeatedly confirmed theories in all of science, human knowledge. The evidence is simply overwhelming: the mutual recession of the galaxies, red-shift increasing with distance, the expansion of the Universe, inflation increasing with time, the cosmic microwave background radiation, newly confirmed gravitational waves, the formation of the galaxies, star formation, the abundances of elements, the structural and elemental homogeneity at all scales of all of spacetime and entropy--most definitely and without question--indicate a singular creation event erupting from a greater state of order, the Singularity.
String theory imagines the Big Bang as the result of the collision between ultramacroscopic branes in higher-dimensional spacetime. Such collisions might be common events in the infinite Multiverse of shifting branes and sparkling universes. In such a scenario where an infinity of universes are created, they might just as easily be instantly destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe
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zoamchomsky, at Friday, June 03, 2016
But Zoam...
Something cannot be created from nothing, It just can't, even in the (discarded) brane-worlds.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Friday, June 03, 2016
I believe that I've referenced this in a past comment, but a good read on the debate between the Big Bang and Steady State theories:
Big Bang: The Origins of the Universe, by Simon Singh, published by Harper Perennial, 2004.
Singh discusses the topic going back to the Greeks. It's an easy and good read, but covers the science and physics concerning both models.
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Tim Hebert, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Tim:
I just ordered this from Amazon....it better promote the Steady State Theory....the Big Bang thing is utterly incredulous.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Singh is a Big Bang proponent, but he gives the Steady State it's proper due. He doesn't white wash it.
I believe that you'll find a lot of useful info and history concerning the scientific debate that ensued.
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Tim Hebert, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Accepting the Big Bang as fact, as I do (as does virtually all of science, as Zoam notes) does not preclude one from then asking why it happened. Science can tell you how, but it can't answer the metaphysical questions... and that's as it should be. The two are not mutually exclusive; rather, they complement each other.
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Paul Kimball, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Paul:
Can you tell us how the Big Bang happened....not the vicissitudes of the aftermath but how the initial "blip" came about; that is, where did the infinitesimal speck come from?
Zoam attributes it to a break in a multiverse opening, which is a possibility but then we'd have to go through a regression on the other side of the bubble opening, that crack in the brane....but that for another time.
The Big Bang, as presented by physicists is a creation "ex nihilo" -- it can't be.
To accept that view is to adopt a religious-like explanation.
One can do that, but they'd have to bring "God" into the picture.
The Big Bang is not a fact, by the way. It's a theory, and a goofy one on the face of it.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Friday, June 03, 2016
Rich,
You've missed my point. Fair enough.
Paul
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Paul Kimball, at Friday, June 03, 2016
I got your point Paul...
You accept the Big Bang, as science presents it.
But that's a "faith" acceptance, isn't it?
I don't accept the premise, obviously. Zoam offers a possible construct for a Big Bang, and I've even presented that possibility earlier here.
But I was interested in why you accept the Big Bang. The why of it is fascinating, but it's the how that baffles.
I know you have other fish to fry, but I was just curious as to why you find the Big Bang acceptable, aside from the "fact" that (pretty much) all of science accepts it.
This comment is rhetorical.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Friday, June 03, 2016
RR,
My last reading and understanding of the Big Bang was as Zoam described -at least the brane evolution, if you'll pardon my simplification, but indeed, as he begins it:
"String theory imagines the Big Bang..."
Imagines is the keyword there. To go beyond that is certainly a "faith" of some kind.
Further on it from Zoam: "as the result of the collision between ultramacroscopic branes in higher-dimensional spacetime" -and acceptance of that mouthful sure makes our discussions of UAPs just tame.
BD
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Bryan Daum, at Saturday, June 04, 2016
Yes, Bryan....
The topic is complicated and abstruse, but the premise -- the opening scientific statement: A infinitesimal speck came into existence and spread in one second to the inflated-tending Universe -- tells us that the Universe began ex nihilo, came from nothing.
That can't happen. no matter how much the scientific faithful believe it to be so.
Something cannot spring from nothing......it can't.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Saturday, June 04, 2016
> That creation could arise ex nihilo is beyond science.
The big bang theory is not an ex nihilo theory.
All reasoning derived from such a flawed assumption is thereby wrong.
I am puzzled by the recent campaign to caricature scientists as just another kind of religious fanatic.
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Terry the Censor, at Sunday, June 05, 2016
You're wrong Terry...
The Big Bang is a prime example of ex nihilo......and I'll be presenting some quotations from real scientists who say that.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Sunday, June 05, 2016
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