Answers to my 2/10 Detritus Queries from Martin Kottmeyer (of course)
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Per Detritus page, the American magazine article should be this one:
Kevin Randle, “The UFO Kidnapping that Challenged Science” Saga’s UFO Report, Spring 1975, pp. 15-17, 54 I don't possess that particular issue. He also wrote of it in The October Scenario (1988). I have a pair of contradictory notes in my files on the case - Clark doubting Llanca existed but it was for money existed and South American ufo people saying it was psychological and for money.
Per Detritus page, the American magazine article should be this one:
Kevin Randle, “The UFO Kidnapping that Challenged Science” Saga’s UFO Report, Spring 1975, pp. 15-17, 54 I don't possess that particular issue. He also wrote of it in The October Scenario (1988). I have a pair of contradictory notes in my files on the case - Clark doubting Llanca existed but it was for money existed and South American ufo people saying it was psychological and for money.
October 28, 1973. Bahia
Blanca, Argentina Dionisio
Llanca is changing a tire on his rig when a yellow, then blue, light envelopes
him. He feels paralyzed. He can’t get up. Three people appear.
“They were two men and
a woman, the woman in the center. I could see she was a woman because I
could see the outline of her breasts, and the long fair hair which reached
half-way down her back. The men too were blonde, with their hair combed
back. All three of them were roughly the same height, about one meter 70
or 1 meter 75 ( 5’ 6” to 5’ 8”) and they were all dressed alike. Very
tight fitting leaden-grey colored one piece suits, three-quarter length boots
of a yellow colour like that of chamois leathers used for polishing
shoes. They had long gloves of the same yellow color, and these went
halfway up their arms. They wore neither belts, nor helmets, nor anything
else. They had no weapons. Their faces were like ours, but they had
great wide foreheads and elongated eyes. Like those of the Japanese and
slightly protuberant.”
One seized him by the collar and
forced him upright. The other placed a device at the base of the index
finger of the left hand. It had a nozzle and was held there for a few
seconds. When withdrawn there were a couple drops of blood on the
finger. The procedure had been totally painless. Nevertheless, he
fainted. He hears a buzzing noise like bees in a hive or like a badly
tuned radio. The two men take him up a beam of light. He is next in
an enclosure with a lead metal floor and a round window. Inside their
craft were many instruments, two television sets, a radio, and a boat --- A
boat? On a tv he could see stars. The radio spoke to him.
“They told him they had been visiting Earth since 1950 in order to study our
behavior and make a record for posterity. It seems that…during the ten
years up to 1960 the extra-galactic beings had been taking back samples of
terrestrial materials to their worlds. From that date, however they had
been concentrating on the establishment of contacts with us in order to determine
the degree of adaptability capacity in human beings, and the possibility of
moving them out into inter-stellar space should the need for this arise…These
people said that our planet is bound to suffer very grave catastrophes if our
behavior continues as it is at present.”
They add that one of the aliens took the form of an earthman and has been
living among us. The aliens had chosen Llanca for contact because they
considered him a simple, good man who had no major problems. They would come to
look for him again and would take him with them – possibly.
Llanca saw the beings take 2 tubes and link one of them to a high tension cable
and lower the other into a small lake. Investigators allege this explains
a surge of power consumption recorded in the area. It was thought this in
some way re-fueled the ship.
Llanca later is found walking around like an automaton and suffers not merely
missing time, but an amnesia so total he does not even remember who he
is. He is taken to a hospital and a psychologist treats him. An
expert in traumatology, he concedes the case is puzzling in certain
details. The case was widely reported in the Argentina press.
A write-up in Flying Saucer
Review adds that while the
described events of the encounter would last a half-hour at most, the amnesia
suggests he was gone more like 1½ to 2 hours. A note by Gordon Creighton
emphasizes the beings did indeed say they were from outside our galaxy.
Presumably he understood the dubious character of such a point of origin.
Given
the blonde hair, the taxonomic obviosity these are Nordics rather than grays
needs little belaboring. The large foreheads are interesting as an
implicit evolutionary advance over present humanity, to be sure, but such
things were seen in the Adamski contact case.
George Adamski's "humans from
outer space" communicated an evolutionary philosophy but of course within
a New Age framework. The mind does not die after death: "the
intelligence - goes on evolving." All planets generate life despite
differences in form, but "all are in varying degrees of development -
changing ceaselessly." It is perhaps noteworthy that the Venusian he
communicates with has "an extremely high forehead."
The elongated eyes and Oriental aspects suggest possible influence by the Hill
case, a point reinforced by the memory issues. Probably more experienced
ufologists would not want this case among the grays in any case for it is
generally regarded as a hoax. UFOCAT puts it on its list of discredited
cases. Jerry Clark writes of it, “The magazine article and subsequent newspaper
pieces based on it mentioned physicians and psychologists who supposedly had
investigated the story, but when Argentine ufologists tried to check for
themselves, they found that the story was an invention put together as a
money-making scheme. It is not clear if either Llanca or the medical
experts even existed.” This case got some attention in the U.S.
(Webb case catalogue entry #39. Initially
published La Razón,
29 Octubre 1973; reprinted Dr. Roberto Banchs, “Villa Bordeu, Ba; El
Affaire Llanca”Los Identificados XI (1996), pp. 3-12. APRO Bulletin Nov/Dec 1973
+ Jan/Feb 74 + Jul/Aug 74; Skylook
#67 - March 1974 + #82 - Sept
74; Kevin Randle, “The UFO Kidnapping that Challenged Science” Saga’s UFO Report, Spring 1975,
pp. 15-17, 54; Gordon Creighton & Charles Bowen, “The Extraordinary Case of
Dionisio Llanca and the Ufonauts” Flying
Saucer Review 26, #4 November 1980, pp. 2-10; George Adamski and
Desmond Leslie Flying Saucers
Have Landed British Book Centre, 1953, pp. 195, 200, 204; Jerome
Clark, “Hoaxes” entry in The
UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial Visible Ink, 1998, pp.
299-300.)
October 20, 1973
Argentina: Villa Bordeu, Bahía Blanca
01:15. Dionisio Llanca, a 25-years-old truck driver, was at his
uncle’s home, watching TV. Despite being aSaturday’s night, he decided to leave and get
into his truck, which he allegedly proceed to load (alone) with a
non-documented last-hour order of construction material to be delivered to Río
Gallegos. When he noticed his tire was low, he decided to change it and pulled
over in a place just 200 m away of a gas station. He began changing the tire in
the dark when the road was illuminated with an intense yellow light that seemed
to him to be about 2 km distant. A few seconds passed and the light had changed
to a bluish color similar to an electric arc welder. When he tried to get up,
he discovered he could not rise, as if he had no strength. Then, he saw three
people behind him.
The
paralysis became total and he could not even talk. The beings were two men and
a woman (he believed it was a woman because of the form of the breast and the
long blonde hair, reaching the middle of her shoulders). The men were also
blond with shorter hair. All of them were about the same height, 185 cm, and
dressed in the same manner: single piece smoky gray coverall suits well fitted
to the figure, orange boots and long gloves reaching to the middle of the arm
of the same color. They had no belts, nor weapons, nor helmets nor anything
else. Their faces were like human beings’ except for high foreheads and
elongated eyes and ears. They talked among themselves in an unknown language.
One of them grabbed him and lifted him firmly but without violence. While one
held him up, the other man put an apparatus in the base of Llanca’s index
finger on the left hand. They looked closely at the apparatus, similar to a
razor but with a small tube. Llanca believes he passed out soon after seeing
two drops of blood on his finger, because he couldn’t remember anything else.
Dionisio
awoke at around 2 or 3 in the morning. When he opened his eyes he was among the
rail cars in the yard of the “Sociedad Rural de Bahía Blanca”, some 9 km from
the point where the encounter took place. He was in a state of amnesia, as he
couldn’t remember even his name, nor the episode, nor the truck, nor his home.
He began walking towards the road and passed out again. On the 30th, he awoke
in a bed in the Municipal Hospital of Bahía Blanca and remembered nothing else
more that meeting three beings when changing his truck’s tire.
The case
was investigated by Fabio Zerpa and his “scientific team” and in November 1973,
Llanca was submitted to several tests, and the use of hypnotherapy and truth
serum, which apparently allowed him to retell the facts he could not remember
consciously.
Llanca
had also seen a big flying saucer suspended in the air at about 7 m. From it
came a “solid light” beam acting as a ramp for the three beings to descend.
After taking the skin sample, the two men took Llanca by the arm and carried
him inside, following the woman. In the cockpit, Llanca can watch a screen
showing how two lines from the UFO touched power lines and a lake. Meanwhile,
the woman had taken off her right glove and changed it for a black one with
needles in the palm. Standing in front of Llanca, she allegedly tried to reach
him in the right temporal side, but hit his left eye, leaving some marks.
Sometime after, the “solid light” beam dropped Llanca slowly among several
train wagons about 10 km from his truck, where he awoke. He has been aboard
40-50 minutes, but is unable to provide more details.
The story
was very much publicited all over the world, because of the alleged
“scientific” team but no independent witness appeared, even if the area was
quite public and the road quite busy at any hour. Beside, the police found
neither footprints (beside Llanca’s) not the flat tire at the site (the
allegued construction material was also missing). Banchs & Roncoroni both
independently concluded it was a hoax. The first hypnosis session added nothing
to his conscious recollection, but afterwards, he was able to give very
detailed answers. Dr. Solari, who examined Llanca months later, described him
as an “epilectic personality with hysterical traits” and it had been documented
that in the following years he tried to obtain money from his stories.
KOTTMEYER: “Blondes in Yellow Boots”
(1973-10-28 Dionisio Llanca)
Sources:
« Llanca, el informe Solari », UFOPRESS #19 + Guillermo
Rocoroni, « El caso Dionisio Lanca – Revision objetiva e informe
final », CIU-CUFOS 1983.
Roberto Banchs, « Affaire Llanca :
el gran fraude », STENDEK 34 (Dic 1978) + « Más (y punto
final) sobre el affaire Llanca », STENDEK 43 (March 1981).
Thomas E. Bullard, The UFO Abductions –
The Measure of a Mystery (1987) – Case #083
And this too from Martin:
July 1981 àð 9 March 1979
USA: Monroe, North
Carolina
03:00.
Patrick Eudy, 46, a car salesman, left a friend’s house and headed down a
back road, driving home about 25-30 km away. When he came to a one lane steel
bridge, suddenly a brilliant light appeared overhead, and he apparently lost
consciousness. Later he woke up driving slowly in a different location, 10 km
distant. He arrived home around 06:20, about three hours later than
he should have. He was dazed and his eyes burned badly. He could not account
for a 3-hour period of missing time but next morning he felt that he had been
onboard a craft of some sort. For a few days afterwards, he had an unusual rash
and itch on his fingers and ankles. He was also puzzled the car had not used
enough gas to cover the distance involved. Later he began to wake up in the
middle of the night having “flashbacks”.
About July 1981 he sought help and the ufologist Henry
Morton suggested a session with a psychologist named Richard Pinneau. Under a
two-hour hypnotic regression he remembered being in a bright room with two
seats and panels, “designed like the cockpit of a plane.” He recalls asking a
lot of question about how the craft worked. A 150 cm tall being wearing an
astronaut suit and a helmet with a dark-coloured visor took him to a dark room
where several tests (not remembered) were conducted on him, sitting on
something like a doctor’s chair and strapped down. The being never spoke a
word.
Eudy and Pinneau presented his story at the North Carolina UFO Conference in
June 1982.
Sources:
Richard Hall,
“MUFON-North Carolina UFO Conference”, Mufon
Journal #173 (July 1982), p.
10.
“Press Reports. North Carolina”, APRO Bulletin 30:4 (April 1982), p. 7 à “I
couldn’t get it off my mind, I wanted to make sure…”, Monroe Enquirer-Journal (Monroe, North Carolina), 27 Sept 1981.
Thomas E. Bullard, The UFO Abductions – The Measure of
a Mystery (1987) – Case #099 à APRO Bulletin 30:4 (April 1982), p. 7
March 9, 1979
USA: Monroe, North Carolina. A salesperson was returning home when he came to a
one lane steel bridge, suddenly a brilliant light appeared overhead, and he
apparently lost consciousness. Later he woke up driving slowly in a different
location. He was dazed and his eyes burned badly. He could not account for a
period of missing time but felt that he had been onboard a craft of some sort.
Later under hypnotic regression he remembered being in a bright room with two
seats and a panel. A short being wearing a uniform and a helmet with visor took
him to a dark room where several tests were conducted on him.
Source:
Albert Rosales
Humanoid Catalog, 1979, entry #110; citing Richard Hall, MUFON Journal
Thank you Martin....
RR

5 Comments:
Rich -
Apropos of nothing much, but the Llanca information was provided to me by Coral Lorenzen after she received it from South America. At the time I think a number of people were looking for abductions as a way of validating the Hill abduction. But in later years, Coral told me that the case was a hoax and I think that pretty well sums it up. Since my original source on this was Coral, and since she had the contacts in Argentina, when she suggested the case was a hoax, I saw no reason to challenge her conclusions. At this late date, I don't remember what all she told me about but it seems the doctors couldn't be located along with some other trouble.
By
KRandle, at Saturday, February 11, 2017
Thank you Kevin...
That helps set the record straight.
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 11, 2017
Rich, in my opinion, It dose not set the record straight, as you put it.
Keven says; "Coral suggested, the case was a hoax" A "suggestion" isn't necesarily correct, only a suggestion, as we see it............
By
Daniel, at Sunday, February 12, 2017
Daniel -
I was trying to be polite. Coral had rejected the case as a hoax when they couldn't find the doctors and other aspects of the case didn't track. This is another of the cases that should be reduced to a footnote if it is mentioned at all. Can't be any clearer than that.
By
KRandle, at Monday, February 13, 2017
Thanks Kevin, and you were polite yes, that wasn't realy my point, though.
My point was, if the doctors and the other aspects of the case, "had been tracked"
the outcome in conclusion, could have been so different, and still only a suggestion,
not necessarily a fact.. A "conclusion" based on facts, can still only be a suggestion, based on an "opinion" not a fact. Opinions can be, incorrect, and not realy, set any record straight, in my opinion:)................?
By
Daniel, at Monday, February 13, 2017
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