UFO Conjectures: Interesting but troubling, yes?

Wednesday, January 15, 2020

Interesting but troubling, yes?

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No, not necessarily.

Maybe you already know this, but the classification levels Confidential/Secret/Top Secret are defined by the seriousness of harm to the government’s interest that would supposedly be caused by release of the information. By legal definition, Confidential information would cause “damage “; Secret information would cause “serious damage”; Top Secret would cause “exceptionally grave” damage.

So, the letter from the Navy acknowledging that there are additional videos of UAPs but that they can’t release them because of the “grave damage” they would cause is nothing more than just saying they are legitimately classified Top Secret. The reasons given were that they would reveal “sources and methods” and also specific technical information about the collection devices (radio frequencies, optical resolution, etc.).

All this rationale would apply to any object that was being tracked—like a Russian jet, for example. Don’t read too much into the Navy’s letter. It doesn’t mean that they videotaped Little Green Men, or anything.

By Larry, at Wednesday, January 15, 2020
I get that Larry.

It just strikes me that there is something a bit more "profound" in the statement, which goes to "sources and methods" that are ours.

I don't think the encounters were of ET craft, but were of something we own or something that another country owns.

It's fascinating, and leaves much to the imagination, obviously.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 15, 2020
@Rich - 'I don't think the encounters were of ET craft, but were of something we own or something that another country owns'.

Well, there's literally NO evidence these things are 'extra-terrestrial' in origin (indeed, their behaviour and the off-shore locations of their appearance and disappearance means they arguably fall under the heading of USOs) but, an at the risk of raking over things you & I have discussed at length before, seriously, Rich? Something 'another country' owns? Who would that be exactly?

If 'we' (by which you presumably mean the U.S.) own these things, then why on Earth aren't they beginning to be deployed in frontline defences - as Commander David Fravor has notes - 'new developments' in defence technology typically entering frontline usage within a decade at most.

The 'tic-tac' incident is 16 years ago and there's not the slightest hint that 'we', the Russians, the Chinese (or anyone else for that matter) has anything even approaching the apparent capabilities of said object. Similarly, why would the Navy waste two weeks on 'radar operators with the Princeton...attempting to figure out what the objects were, a process that included having the ship’s radar system shut down and recalibrated to make sure that the mysterious radar returns were not false positives, or “ghost tracks"' if they already knew what these things are/were?

Link: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

Similarly, why disrupt long arranged (and presumably extremely expensive) strategic 'war games' in specially designated zones of restricted sea and airspace, so that F18 fighters can pursue intrusive and unknown 'real-world vectors' if again, they already knew they were 'ours' and thus 'no threat'. If this was the case, no-one appears to have informed the Navy of this 16 years on.

It makes no rational, economic or strategic sense to do any of this.

Russia has recently announced its 'cutting edge' (and reputedly 'unstoppable') hypersonic nukes are now fully operational - an announcement that seems primarily intended to put the willies up the Western allies. Surely announcing they had something akin to the 'tic-tac' would be an even more frightening prospect and a gigantic coup for them in the P.R./strategic 'war of words' that seems to be escalating between the major powers (yet again).

Why wouldn't China (who've had a number of recent territorial stand-offs with the US Navy in the South China Sea) similarly announce they had such a thing up their sleeves or indeed, take it out for a quick spin to buzz & out-manoeuvre US warships & warplanes as a warning to 'back off' or else?

No one with such an apparently 'fully operational' craft, able to outrun and out-perform the most advanced, high-tech 'state of the art' fighter planes in the world would keep it under wraps and if none of the military 'superpowers' possesses such a thing (or are even capable of explaining them) then who the hell does?

Atlantis? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick? :)

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
Who knows DrDee, besides you and me, the Duchy of Grand Fenwick reference? Hahahaha

As to who may have constructed the Tic-Tac and Go Fast UFOs, I lean toward China.

That country will do in the United States, not Britain, sooner than later.

General MacArthur's plea to bomb the hell out of the place way back when was prescient, but stymied by that boob, Truman.

To be politically incorrect: The Oriental is Inscrutable.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
Much more savvy & experienced people than us Rich, in both the aerospace & defence-tech fields, agree that the very notion that 'we' (or anyone else for that matter) developed such a defence capability over a decade and a half ago then, against all reason and historical precedent, elected NOT to deploy, or even threaten to deploy, such an instant 'game-changing' advantage over EVERYONE (other than to apparently interfere with and threaten their own forces of course) is both literally 'in-credible' and quite frankly, a ludicrous and indefensible waste of the VAST manpower, money and resources expended annually on defence budgets, PRECISELY in order to gain such an (invariably temporary) tactical advantage!

I mean - how long did the beyond 'top-secret' Manhattan Project take from inception to deployment of the Atom Bomb - three years tops?

It's inconceivable that more than a decade and a half later, a supposedly similar technological 'quantum leap' in defence tech remains completely unknown to industry analysts & journalists when even the existence of various (allegedly) 'top-secret' Stealth projects were rumoured and speculated upon long before they were officially deployed or unveiled - as indeed other supposedly ongoing 'black projects' (such as 'Aurora') are the subjects of similar conjecture - but nothing like the 'tic-tac' has EVER been hinted at as a 'work in progress' development project, nor is the imminent unveiling of any such 'physics busting' vehicle realistically anticipated anytime soon in defence-tech circles.

This fact alone is, you must admit, a little odd if this thing is indeed 'ours' and has been 'in development' (without any of the usual 'movers & shakers' becoming aware of it) for this length of time.

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
“He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
@Rich - if the Chinese had it Rich, I'm sure they'd have buzzed the US forces in the South China Sea with it - or at least made damned sure everyone was fully aware that they had it and what it could do!

They're not really known for their 'false modesty' when it comes to announcing scientific/tech breakthroughs usually let EVERYONE know what they're newly capable of, particularly when it seems to 'trump' (pun intended!) 'the West'. :)

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
DrDee...

You really do not think the Chinese would show their hand before the right time?

The country and its leaders are waiting for the right time. They are patient beyond belief.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
@Rich - yes but you're conflating the measured wisdom of a past 'Confucionist' China with the present post-Maoist totalitarian State, masquerading as a 'liberal' free-market economy ('til anybody steps out of line of course...hello Hong Kong!)

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
Well, DD, they're not ET craft, so what's left?

They could be ours, more than Russia's or belong to China.

Otherwise I'm stumped.

Or...and I mean OR -- they could be a material hallucination, which I've already suggested here.

It's an hypothesis that can be developed fully and sensibly, using current science and psychology methodologies.

It's not a pathology -- pathology often mis-diagnosed -- but a quantum realized observation.

I'll go into it again sometime.

Again, what else can we suggest or imagine?

I will accept an ET explanation if I have to but I'm not there yet, as you know.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
@Rich - the completely unavoidable 'Elephant in the Room' remains tho' Rich. If the Chinese have developed one of these things - how have they managed to leap-frog every other 'advanced' nation to firstly - manufacture a seemingly fully operational 'trans-medium' air/sea vehicle and secondly, one with capabilities that appear to violate the supposedly 'unbreakable' fundamental 'Laws' of Physics?

Following this 'logic' - the 'skeptic' debunkers and 'scientism' devotees maintain that - despite the lengthening list of trained, credible and professional eye-witnesses and analysts, as well as the increasingly undeniable weight of visual, radar and data evidence (as well as the official stance by the Navy) confirming that these things objectively exist - nothing they argue (admittedly, with good reason) can break the 'Laws of Physics'.

'Objects' which then appear to do so, can therefore neither 'exist' nor actually be performing such 'impossible' feats - thus EVERYONE and everything (including 'state-of-the-art' scanning array radars /air-to-air missile systems, IR cameras etc, etc, blah blah blah) must somehow be 'mistaken' or 'at fault'. Unfortunately, however 'rational' this assumption, it increasingly seems not to be the case.

It's difficult, if not as impossible as the apparent feats of the 'tic-tac' itself, to square these two opposing camps and come-up with a 'reasonable' and satisfactory answer.

Either some Earthly power has, unlikely as it seems and by hitherto unknown means, managed to figure out a way to transcend and overcome the 'unbreakable' physical 'Laws' of our Universe or, conversely, some 'other' previously unknown, yet seemingly technologically 'superior' civilisation exists alongside our own, which has achieved the same 'impossible' feat.

Both 'possibilities', from a rational viewpoint, seem vastly and insurmountably improbable - and yet, here we are...

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
For me, DD,. there's a quantum persistence in UFO sightings....this even before the Tic-Tac and later encounters.

For me China ingenuity goes a long way, with the U.S. and Russia not chimps either.

The episodes seem to have stymied our friend Zoam and set back other skeptics a bit also.

That's a plus.

There is more to come. I keep getting notes that other videos are more insightful, showing craft-like vehicles. I'm trying to track down something more than notes about the videos and people like Lambright are on top of the matter with FOI requests.

It should be a fun year....your country with Brexit and the Harry/Meg thing and us with the Trumper.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
@Rich - well, since I can't really bring my self to accept that state-of-the-art defence tech is somehow suffering from 'delusions' :) (the multiple 'simultaneous equipment failures'/software glitches 'hypothesis' having been soundly 'put to bed' by Navy testimony) the 'higher dimensional' hypothesis, however improbable, rears its ugly head again and would, unfortunately, 'explain' everything - including 'where they inexplicably come from/go to', how they appear to side-step the 'unbreakable' laws of our physical reality, how such a technological (and also inexplicable) 'quantum leap' has seemingly been achieved 'under the scientific radar' etc, etc.

I think it's infinitely more likely than inconceivably long interstellar/inter-galactic journeys of potentially 100,000 years or more (even at the speed of light) just to get to 'an unremarkable small, blue planet at the unfashionable edge of a non-descript spiral galaxy' (to paraphrase Douglas Adams) :)

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
@Rich - oh yeah - it's been a barrel of laughs already! :(

By DrDee, at Saturday, January 18, 2020
A higher dimensional obsession with Earthian military operations or aircraft denudes the words "upper dimensional."

I find it hard to imagine an extraterrestrial, let alone a higher form of intelligence spending so much time fooling around with Naval aircraft when there are so many other things one might be obsessed with -- like the fires in Australia or the glacial fractures at the poles.

The foolishness takes me back to the Matrix mischief-maker in the reality game we are immersed in.

RR

By RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 18, 2020

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