Something flies over or nearby and a camera malfunctions or a car stalls? And so….?
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What do such effects tell us? That some kind of “energy” or E-M bursts debilitate our mechanical objects?
Where do such observations take us?
I am so sick and tired with pronouncements that end before their closing grammatical mark, a period.
So, UFOs apparently emit electromagnetic bursts that quell machines or affect humans in some physiological way.
Now what? Where are persons obsessed with such reports taking us? UFOs do this and so…..
It’s sheer stupid reportage, full of nothing. Quit piling up UFO lore with such meaningless prattle, please.
RR
posted by RRRGroup at
Thursday, February 10, 2022
18 Comments:
"Meaningless prattle..." Hardly. If these ARE EM effects--and a reasonable conclusion is that they are--then this rules out a number of sources for those effects. ( Science often advances by ruling out certain theories.) Do birds emit EM effects? No. Do clouds? Do baloons? No and No. Does Venus? No. So, we can now eliminate several favorite so-called explanations for some UFOs that have been kicking around for decades.
Which leaves us with what? What's left after almost every other "source" has been eliminated? Whatever it is, it may in fact be the true explanation, as Holmes would assert. I suggest that it leaves us with the reasonable hypothesis that EM effects originate with solid objects whose propulsion system is the source of those EM effects either directed or unintended. (Notice, I did not say "alien.")
This may not sound like some great advance in solving the mystery but I assert that it is. Science often advances simply by ruling out theories that can be falsified and dealing with what's left. If I'm wrong about any of this, someone please suggest another hypothesis that is entirely consistent with EM effects.
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Dominick, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
And Dominick, what do you and some other pals of mine deduce from those alleged E-M effects?
Just what exactly....
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
I just deduced it. Solid objects with a propulsion system that is the source of the EM effects. Ours or someone else's. Nothing more can be deduced without additional evidence...
But that deduction is by no means meaningless prattle.
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Dominick, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
But Dom, we're right back at square one: UFOs, from where, used by whom?
You and I (and others here, Ron for sure) know that UFOs exist and appear to be propulsed exotically.
Reportage that some things (a UFO it seems) create E-M effects is like saying a monkey has two feet.
E-M defines a propulsion system, one that uses a known energy level. Someone is using that to fly around -- humans or ???
The "finding" is obvious -- and useless, except to indicate that the "object" could be human in design, perhaps.
It's nothing useful...for determining exactly the source. It's a ruminative guess.
And we're all full of those.....It's prattle -- meaningless prattle at that.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Look, Rich, there is a distinct difference between saying that (a.) we don't know the ultimate answer to the UFO question and (b.) saying that the expression "EM effects are associated with the propulsion system of real objects" is just meaningless prattle. We don't know the penultimate answer so, in effect, we know nothing meaningful. Nonsense. This false dichotomy is the favorite tactic of the radical skeptics but should NOT be our position.
The ONLY way to get beyond this, of course, is to recover (or uncover) a crashed saucer. I think that we all can agree on that...
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Dominick, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
These physical effects come from an exotic propulsion system. All apologies to Ben Rich of Lockheed Skunkworks, but we may have advanced propulsion systems of our own, but our engineering is not as advanced as he wants us to think. So, not ours (human).
We know there are planets circling other suns, but we haven't found as much as a hint of life beyond earth. So, not ET.
Time travel is a classroom theory. So are ultra-dimensions. So, no time travelers or dimensionals.
Leaving a pre-Ice Age civilization of humans that somehow survived, adapted, and evolved, and would be 10K years ahead of us in science, etc. A new science report states we don't know what goes on in the deep oceans and are currently unable to categorize any life that may live down there.
Humanoids of the deep.
That's my conjecture for the day. I'm not on meds but should be.
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Ron, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Ron, Dominick, keeps open the advanced humans (the ancient god-like beings that I think existed).
But I couldn't get my head around Tonnies' Crypto-terrestrials. Where did they hide out since their heyday?
How did they acquire the means to create advanced technology? Et cetera.
The UFO problem, for me, resides in a reality that Vallee suggests, but what would that be?
Thus, going on and on about E-M propulsion is gobbledy-gook. It's a non-starter for real surmising, a pretense at science by quidnuncs.
Sorry.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Gentlemen put all these presented arguments in a historical context. In our days exotic types of engines .. might exist (although we have no direct evidence from the academia). But 70 years ago .. probably not. Bottom line, we have evidence of the presence of an unknown phenomenon or reality which has manifested multiple times in a physical manner. I concord with Dominick, this is a big something. For the full picture we need more data, which someone very carefully filters out.
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Stavrosh, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
"These physical effects come from an exotic propulsion system."
Probably Not.
The E-M fields observed in the vincinity of UFOs could be related to the physical effects of the gate that must be open to allow them to transition between their dimensions and ours.
If these alien agencies discovered a way to visit us through Einstein-Rosen bridges or wormholes in spacetime that have been predicted by Einstein, these E-M effects could be related to the so called 'exotic matter' required to keep the bridge open for a given time.
A very interesting and very very intriguing experiment that has been described by Sturrock few years ago could hold the key to the whole mystery and it describes the role of the EM fields with the ex nihilo apparition of pretty weird stuff.
but apart from a (very) few exceptions in the scientific community, no one is listening...
Godot is living in another dimension.
Take care.
Julien
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Hessdalenlights, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
I could suggest Krell from another dimension, but it would just be more sci-fi. I don't know how we get from here to where we want to be.
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Ron, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Could it be, that the ancient (god-like beings, that Rich talks of) came to Earth a very long time ago in ancient history and perhaps, reside here on Earth covertly, under our oceans or mountains,somewhere unexplored, and now operate from Earth, and have done for a long time..very long time!? AND NOW, WE, are in the way, of their progress:)...The EM being, just a side-effect, of their presence..
It could be a gradual takeover of the human-race, in ways that we could not figure, to be sure..They knowing, that we would doubt, or not believe..
Look what's taking place in the world to day...everywhere??............?
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Daniel, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Yours is an AA imagining Daniel.
Shame.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
It is a "WHAT IF" Rich, with NO shame on my part:) You have the problem, not I..
Your god-like beings, you have talked about, came from some where....Were ever that may have been!? So it's a "What IF" imagining, on my part..Yes!.............
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Daniel, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
'I could suggest Krell from another dimension, but it would just be more sci-fi. I don't know how we get from here to where we want to be.'
Based on what I know today about UFOs and about physics and also based on my own family experience, I can confidently state that reality is definitely stranger than fiction.
Definitely and without a doubt.
Julien
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Hessdalenlights, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Now listen fellows, don't take things personally here....and don't mistake lame jests for insults (ahem, Danny).
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
Let me restate my problem with the E-M regurgitations....mostly "there" not here.
First off the "conclusion" that a camera malfunctioning or car motors stalling out or persons suffering some painful or debilitating illness after a thing nears them are all conclusions without proof. They are just a supposition.
And concluding that the thing encountered is using E-M as a propulsion system is also a supposition.
Moreover, E-Ming the matter tells us nothing -- nada, nil zip -- about what the thing seen is or its source. Everything is empty conjecture.
Some think putting an E-M label on a UFO gives it a special credence.
Anti-gravity would be a better speculation, but that doesn't have the zing of E-M, does it?
So, let's try to be smarter here -- more scholarly or thoughtful.
If I want jerky comments I could try to cajole Kevin Randle's commenters or vast amounts of UFOers from FB or Reddit.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
"If these alien agencies discovered a way to visit us through Einstein-Rosen bridges or wormholes in spacetime that have been predicted by Einstein, these E-M effects could be related to the so called 'exotic matter' required to keep the bridge open for a given time."
Shades of Stargate.
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Ron, at Thursday, February 10, 2022
RR,
So we really don't know of what we seek and still can't sort out.
I believe that the question can only be answered by the military (and their super spooks et al.) and they haven't told us -of just what we do know.
Only they have the resources to recover, analyze and then coalesce the available.
The question then remains, will they ever tell us? A hard maybe.
BD
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Bryan Daum, at Friday, February 11, 2022
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