Those mum extraterrestrials….
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When Carl Sagan and I.S.Shklovskii proposed, in Intelligent Life in the Universe [Chapter 33, Page 448 ff. PB] that (about) 10,000 years ago, alien visitors from the cosmos may have dropped in on Earth, the idea was astounding but based on circumstantial evidence, supplied significantly.
We know that in the time frame (10,000 years ago), the Ice Age had ended pretty much and humans lived in what we call The Stone Age, where man created primitive stone tools and estab- lished societal colonies at the intersection of stone and metal working.
So alien beings would have no compunction to communicate physical laws or scientific facts to homo sapiens who were at the threshold of abstract and definitive thought.
The peoples that Sagan/Shklovskii write about are the mysterious Sumerians in the period of 4000 B.C. and thereafter who provide indications of inter-galactic contact, although cave paintings and petroglyphs from much earlier suggest extraterrestrial contact.
But without the awareness endemic to mankind, before the Bronze Age, there could be no suggestion of communicated scientific knowledge forthcoming from cosmic visitors.
Thus, any overt communication of where extraterrestrial visitors came from, or how and why, would have to wait for a period when Greek, Egyptian, Indus societies (and others) might be able to apprehend what strange visitors (from the skies) were telling them or trying to.
But even then, no information was forthcoming, insofar as we can tell from written and oral records (myths) or “artistic” represen- tations. “Science” was not visible or palpable.
Moreover, there were no “presentations” of a scientific nature during and immediately after the Renaissance or even the so-called Enlightenment era.
And more significantly, in the modern era – 1947 and afterwards – the alleged contacts by alien beings [ETs], as enumerated by UFO researchers Rosales, Dennett, and Caravaca et al., there is next to nothing of a scientific or Physics (astronomical, cosmological) nature imparted by so-called visitors from Outer Space.
The encounters, reported in detail by some (addled) persons, are remiss in technical terms, which may have something to do with the inherent nature of the unsophisticated persons alleging the encounters, but more likely by the lack of such detail by those beings supposedly creating the encounter. (José Caravaca’s Dis- tortion Theory offers an explanation as to why that is.)
So-called and inherently imagined “telepathic” communications by other-world species and even overt “conversations” by and from alleged extraterrestrial species is completely devoid of any hard-cored information that explains or delineates the biographical reality of those making contact.
(The Betty/Barney Hill abduction scenario comes close to a confessional aria by the beings Betty Hill was supposedly accosted by, but even that was obscure.)
Nope – as the Peele movie has
it – alien visitors to Earth and its species – all of flora and fauna – is not
deemed worthy of an intelligent disclosure by the visitors of what they are,
from where or why.
(Yes, I understand that some of you belie e that ET visitors are akin to human reactions confronting an ant colony or so-called diminished species here on Earth. But humans do have intelligent cachet of some kind, limited as it may be, to an outer-space race. So, that explanation of the confrontational lack suffers.)
(Yes, I understand that some of you belie e that ET visitors are akin to human reactions confronting an ant colony or so-called diminished species here on Earth. But humans do have intelligent cachet of some kind, limited as it may be, to an outer-space race. So, that explanation of the confrontational lack suffers.)
This for me disallows – along
with the distance, time, value elements – space visitors coming here, in droves
as the recent upsurge in appearances seem to decry.
Give me your counter arguments, if you have any.
RR
Give me your counter arguments, if you have any.
RR



10 Comments:
You have already raised, perhaps, the best counter-argument. Until very recently (nuclear technology, space travel, etc.) human activity has simply not been that interesting to, say, a life/AI form thousands of years ahead of us. Ant colonies are "intelligent" (they build structures, food deliveryand waste disposal systems, post security forces, etc) but we see no real need for any serious communication. We might study their behavior but, pray tell, why would we interfere? BUT, if they split the atom we would begin negotiations very quickly!
The second best reason is (still) the Star Treck mandate. It is quite possible to imagine beings or robots who are simply curious about what we are doing but who have pledged (or been programed) NOT to interfere. Perfectly reasonable explanation.
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Dominick, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
That you think, Com, that another species from (way off) Earth thinks like us is itself a scary proposition...intellectually deficient. Sorry.
I know you and Daniel, and many others, want space invaders or visitors to be guardians of morality, ethics, and thought of a high kind, but that is, as I see it, foolish thinking.
The thought processes may not be evil (by our definition) but they will be different to a greater degree than we might imagine.
Or just like us......but that's a lottery consideration.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
Actually, Rich, there is a very good reason to think that some off-the-world species would, indeed, "think like us." In case you haven't noticed, the physical world, including the entire planetary system, conforms to strict (mathematical) rules/constants. To understand those laws, rules, constants, etc.--and to make use of them for, say, vehicle construction and space travel--requires LOGIC, Aristotlian logic. So, yes, it is not unreasonable at all to assume that anyone who has mastered the observed technology (UFOs) uses LOGIC precisely the way that we do. In short, in that ONE area at least (nothing to say about ethics, arts, music appreciation, sex, etc.) they more than likely DO "think like us."
Good luck trying to argue aginst that proposition.
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Dominick, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
Logic, thinking, even the physical laws may be different many scientists say.
The processes you extol are evolutionary, just like human thinking (from human brains).
I'm not inclined to think that another species may be curious as we are -- desirous of searching for life outside their sphere -- or behaving like the Star Trek scenarios and that damn fictional Prime Directive.
Nope. I'm cynical in the extreme -- and maybe it's the grouchy gene exhibiting itself in my dotage.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
Whatever these things are, they're not gods. They may be technologically advanced, but their general behavior, if reports are true, is appalling. If they're here to visit, they've overstayed their welcome. If here to co-habit, nobody invited them.
Alien means non-human. Assuming they come from off-Earth, they won't be anything like us, and their motives and methods will be incomprehensible. We can't understand what goes on behind an iguana's eyes; now multiply that by X.
I could be wrong.
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Ron, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
The proposition that "two plus two equals four" (with all of its billions of sophisticated variations per situation per second) is NOT "evolutionary." Scientists (many?), regardless of what they might say at some coctail party, do "logic" in their science as if it were true and universial. Not so, of course, with philosophers...but I thought that you had little respect for those guys.
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Dominick, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
Have to disagree on the physical laws differing. Math isn't human it's math even when more of it is to be revealed.
On the curious aspect the approach might indeed be evolutionary awaiting some threshold point where the "ants" deserve a second look.
Without going too far back -and we've done that here- dimensional or some yet defined super intellectual form of visitation may be watching. Seems the foo fighters of the "aluminum overcast' could have been that first look while short of contact. Nukes and spaceflight might be found more interesting...
BD
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Bryan Daum, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
I'm with Ron on this one Dom but your views aren't anathema to either of us....I think Ron would agree.
As for scientists, the literature lately has them poo-pooing the Big Bang and finding quantum mechanics to be even weirder than anyone thought, so logic -- which is pretty much dormant or missing in quantum realities.
I've been inundated by papers (and received recordings and videos) supporting the non-human aspect of imagined or possible ETs.
Even 2 + 2 = 4 is a throwaway in some academic circles.
Let's hope we get some input from other visitors here. The topic is rife (ripe?) for discussion.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
Ah, Bryan weighs in.
And "math" is evolutionary, but so is human destiny (according to Lecomte du Nouy -- get the book or find the Wikipedia article on him).
Everything is in flux, even my own views (and I bet Ron's too).
RR
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RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
My views are always pretty fluxed up.
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Ron, at Sunday, August 28, 2022
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