Kevin Randle, me, and that damn Socorro symbol
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My pal Kevin has had to reprise a posting at his blog
[kevinrandle.blogspot.com] about the alleged symbol (insignia) that Police
Office Lonnie Zamora said he saw on the egg-shaped craft that landed in the
desert of Socorro, New Mexico in 1964.
It seems that a writer investigating the sighting differs
with Kevin’s (and my) view that the symbol seen by Officer Zamora is the arc
above an arrow and not the inverted V with three lines through it, as the
writer is about to show in his new book on the incident.
That symbol has been a bugaboo for me (and Kevin) for a long
while, with both of us damning Ray Stanford for proselytizing the inverted V
with the lines as the authentic symbol.
The matter seems to remain open.
Here’s a 2013 page of mine dealing with the issue:
And here’s my contact information for Lonnie Zamora, whom I
called years ago but only got to reach Mrs. Zamora.
As some of you know, I’m of the opinion that what Office
Zamora saw was a Howard Hughes Aircraft prototype engineered in conjunction
with the CIA-front organization Raven Industries, and have provided much
information about that at this blog and our RRRGroup blog. (The material can be
found by inserting search parameters in the upper left corner of both blogs.)
I’ve been concerned with the 1964 event for a long time:
And its resolution would be a godsend.
RR
posted by RRRGroup at
Thursday, November 08, 2018
6 Comments:
" ... with the CIA-front organization Raven Industries". So this was a (still) top-secret program, details of which cannot be released even 50 years later. Yet, apparently the first order of business was painting an insignia on the craft which would make it easily traceable back to the company (???). There's seemingly a lot of illogical beliefs the proponents of the hoax or terrestrial craft theories have to accept.
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jamesrav, at Sunday, November 11, 2018
I have all of the internal documents about this case. It WAS NOT a top secret program and all branches of the military where checked, double checked, and had to answer these quesries from the Joiunt Chief of Staff, the AF, the CIA and FBI. Of course, it would also still not be classified as an unknown if they knew what it was.
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TheUFOGuy, at Monday, November 12, 2018
Thanks Kevin for the well done summation. More information is going to come to light, but since I cannot post any pictures here, what I mention I do have copies of. Holders son, when he communicated with Ray Stanford, did mention that his father had Lonnie sign a made up symbol. The son, upon seeing the symbol of the arrow with the crescent on top in Rays book, did say that he does not remember that being correct either. The inverted V with the 3 bars, was in the papers THE NEXT day, and I have found it in over 10 other papers almost immediately after the event, not weeks later. This was BEFORE the fake symbol was even known. Remember, this got out on the news wires very fast, contributing to the fact that the Blue Book investigation could not really stop the flow of data that had already occurred. It will be shown that the symbol Baca was drew and was told to erase from his charcoal drawing was...an inverted v with 3 bars, but then the false symbol was added after the fact to father muddy the waters. I have Ray Stanford’s field notes from 1964 showing the same inverted v in 2 versions, one closer to Hynek’s drawing, and I have 2 other egg-shaped craft reports from that time, one from a pilot, who saw the craft in the air and said it had a symbol of an inverted v with 3 lines. At some point, you realize that we could belabor this point over and over, but it does show how effective the Air Force/FBI was in confusing the public about the symbol. The so-called Alchemy symbol is not the same as what Hynek drew, and simply because the symbol may be close to it does not in any way make it false simply because we have something similar in a dead science. It also has no related meaning that one would put on a flying vehicle. Alchemy is: "A medieval chemical science and speculative philosophy aiming to achieve the transmutation of the base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal cure for disease, and the discovery of a means of indefinitely prolonging life."
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TheUFOGuy, at Monday, November 12, 2018
Why are we ignoring the Hynek drawing at the National Archives that clearly shows an inverted v with a bar at the top, middle, and bottom? And why, when Lonnie was getting grilled by the FBI agent at the same time that Hynek was being interviewed by Walter Schrode in Socorro, did Hynek say it was an inverted V with a bar through it, resembling a cattle brand? He said, when asked, that "I see no reason not to talk about it", yet when Lonnie was up next, after getting grilled by the FBI, and was asked about the symbol, he said "I was told not to talk about it", when that was a perfect opportunity to promote the false symbol? And who supposedly made such a symbol up that got out into the press the next day? It was well known and told by several individuals close to the case, including New Mexico police, that is was an inverted v with 3 lines. Ray Stanford thought my idea of it being a possible warning or radiation symbol, as the /\ pointed to the area where the blue discharge was, and the 3 bars together closely resembles our own radiation symbols, so perhaps it means 'don’t stand here' (or you will get cooked by radiation), or, as some have mentioned, it could mean something akin to "eat at Joes" in an Alien language. My point is not to argue, but to show that there is much more evidence for the inverted v than there is for the 'signed' symbol. And the promoted signed symbol is Lonnie signature, yet someone else's hand drew the symbol. In the end, since we really can only speculate as to what any 'off world' symbol could mean, it is a moot point. The most important take away from the Socorro UFO landing, is that no organization, no government entity, no business on Earth admitted that it was their craft, and thus my contention is that is was 'not of Earth'. This was no hoax, except to the uninformed and armchair researchers, and the military had ample opportunity to come out years later and say that "It was a black project, we cannot talk about it, case closed". No, instead it is an unknown, and will most likely always remain that way. Kevin and I agree to disagree, but I applaud his work and, like myself, will continue to keep the public informed of this most amazing US based Close Encounter of the Third Kind.
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TheUFOGuy, at Monday, November 12, 2018
https://www.theufochronicles.com/2018/07/the-socorro-ufo-incident-facts-vs.html?m=1
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TheUFOGuy, at Monday, November 12, 2018
Thank you Ben:
Your effort(s) do not go unnoticed.
You are doing much to help get this incident in the "explained" column.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Monday, November 12, 2018
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