Michio Kaku: The Truth is Out There?
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Friday, September 13, 2019
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Indeed. 'We've reached a turning point' says celebrated Theoretical Physicist Kaku (no doubt soon to join Zoam's infinitely expanding Universe of the Legion of 'Nutjobs' hahaha!) and notes the burden of proof is now on the Govt. and other nay-sayers to PROVE these aren't intelligently controlled (and possibly ET) craft.
I doubt they're 'ET' but who knows?
I'd love to know what ridiculous, dismissive nonsense Zoam offers as 'explanation' for Norway's 'Hessdalen Lights', having being studied, filmed, photographed and analysed by a team from Østfold University since 1983.
All theories as to what they are, including 'ball-lightning' & 'ionised gas/plasma forms' have been investigated and disproved with researchers establishing the 'lights' exhibit the same optical/spectral characteristics as star-light, can be detected and tracked on radar (even when not detectable in the visible spectrum) and apparently have no mass whatsoever. Some researchers note that on occasion the 'lights' do seem to be under some form of intelligent control and have been observed reacting to/interacting with torch beams etc. directed towards them.
They're clearly NOT 'technical glitches' nor are they 'mythical' figments of the 'dim-witted' locals' imagination - as the usual shower of 'skeptics' (supposedly, as ever, in pursuit of 'scientific truth') and tabloid hacks initially portrayed witnesses who understandably, stopped reporting sightings and ceased co-operating with the University research project for a time.
Thankfully SOME scientists are open-minded and have thankfully been willing to undertake a long-term study of this particular instance of the phenomenon without having the default knee-jerk reaction of completely dismissing all such reports as 'bullshit' (which is 'unhelpful' to say the least).
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DrDee, at Friday, September 13, 2019
The observed phenomena include daylight video of a 'black object' with lights, witnessed several times in the valley - shown bottom of the page in the following link:
http://www.hessdalen.org/pictures/description.shtml
Again this is a long-term and ongoing official scientific study NOT 'paranormal nutjobs' believing some supposed 'myth'.
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DrDee, at Friday, September 13, 2019
"I'd love to know what ridiculous, dismissive nonsense Zoam offers as 'explanation' for Norway's 'Hessdalen Lights', having being studied, filmed, photographed and analysed by a team from Østfold University since 1983".
So a pile of academic nut jobs studies it and that makes it real? Ufology does not take academic nut jobs to figure out something "unidentified" it goes back to recalling what the "U" in UFO stands for....And these lights are not seen as much maybe 20 times a year if that. Could be Norway's version of Alaska's aurora borealis....
I don't see them as anything but some unexplained astronomical phenomena and certainly not some visitors from another planet. And contrary to popular belief academia is not always right....Common sense out weighs book smarts any day of the week.
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Phil, at Saturday, September 14, 2019
Isn´t there at least some kind of consensus that the Hessdalen lights are propably a kind of natural phenomenon? And very real, too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights
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Jerry Cornelius, at Saturday, September 14, 2019
@Jerry - yep, that's the 'theory'.
Unfortunately, after over 30 years of study, the only thing that can be proved is what they definitely are not - they're NOT plasma phenomena, they're not 'ball-lightning' and they don't appear to have any mass, thus they aren't 'physical' objects in the sense we would understand.
However, they can be detected and tracked on radar, even after they appear to have 'vanished' and since their radar signatures have been documented and recorded over the years, the presence of the objects can be detected and their position located and tracked even when they fail to visually 'materialise' to observers.
If it's 'natural' atmospheric phenomena, then why doesn't this seem to occur in the atmosphere above other locations in the world?
Also (if you care to look at the official site - not bloody Wikipedia!)
http://www.hessdalen.org/pictures/description.shtml
there's daylight video evidence of what they deem 'Phenomena 4' which are solid-looking 'black objects' that appear to have lights 'on' them and have been witnessed several times in the valley.
These objects don't look 'natural' and there have been instances (as I previously mentioned) where researchers have observed the 'lights' apparently reacting to or interacting with torchlights shone at them etc. which again, doesn't sound like some passive 'natural' light phenomena.
If these things are what many have reported as UFOs over the years, they could be some form of 'projection' (as this Russian footage appears to show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBetOReJu8) which would account for them having no mass and could also explain the oft-reported 'physics-defying' manoeuvers of UFOs, including the apparent ability to remain aloft with no aerodynamic surfaces and accelerating/decelerating through the sound barrier with no 'sonic boom'. It still doesn't explain exactly WHAT they are though.
I've seen a couple of documentaries on Hessdalen - one clip, in particular, showed something that looked just like some mini 'Phoenix Lights' arrangement, seemingly materialising out of nowhere and remaining stationary and visible for some considerable time - and whilst many researchers remain convinced this is a 'natural phenomenon' (despite the apparent lack of progress in proving this) at least one key researcher states there is possibly much more to this than meets the eye.
It's intriguing, to say the least, and the fact there's still no apparent satisfactory explanation after over 30 years, only adds to the mystery.
What it definitely ISN'T though is some delusional 'mythic' figment of the locals' imagination as the Norwegian media and our supposed 'scientifically' minded 'skeptic', er...'friends' initially (and predictably) tried to have us believe.
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DrDee, at Saturday, September 14, 2019
@Jerry - interesting you've picked Michael Moorcock's perhaps most famous/infamous character as your screen name whilst your avatar is 'King Mob' - Grant Morrison's fictional portrayal of himself in his 'Invisibles' series.
Moorcock once remarked he only really reads his own work in detail, in two instances:
1) On completion of a new work, prior to submitting it to his publishers and
2) Whenever one of his previous works has had a few superficial changes and minor edits made to it before appearing in print bearing the legend 'Written by - Grant Morrison!'
Hahahahahahahaha!
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DrDee, at Saturday, September 14, 2019
@Phil - Christ not ANOTHER one!
Why are all academics with whom the skeptics disagree 'nutjobs'?
They've got photos, videos, reports and analysis going back 30+ years if you'd care to look. http://www.hessdalen.org/pictures/description.shtml
What are they doing, making it all up and faking all the images? With the consent & participation of Østfold University & European Erasmus Scheme Funding?
Gimme a break ffs!
Oh and Norway (as well as other Scandinavian countries, plus Iceland, Russia and even the UK on occasion) does experience the Aurora - it's NOT Alaska's for Christ sake!
Typical septic tank! :)
It's a polar phenomenon (north 'Aurora Borealis' and south 'Aurora Australis') caused by ionisation of gas (plasma) and is found on most planets with an atmosphere.
It was also established early on in the study (as I explained) that this was demonstrably NOT the cause of the Hessdalen Lights nor was it 'ball-lightning'.
And NO ONE said or claimed at ANY juncture (do scroll back and CHECK above) that this was or is 'visitors from another planet' - so what is the point of using that statement as though highlighting some sort of 'flaw' in reasoning when you've just made the bloody thing up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llgY3VBwTAo
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DrDee, at Saturday, September 14, 2019
Get over yourself academic know it all.....Deal with skeptics and get use to it cause they are always going to be around.
As far as these lights go they don't know what they are or where they come from but it's pretty safe bet they are not alien craft from another planet.....All they know is they are lights! Big frigging deal! They are not hurting anyone and Washington DC is still safe.
Skeptics are like know it alls the internet is full of them but at least with skeptics you know what you're getting. With know it alls they already know it all so what's the use!
I am continually amazed at how many people on the internet know it all...No matter what they are told you cannot tell them anything they don't know! If so many people on the internet know it all then how come no one has figured out a way to stop cancer or global warming or some other disastrous thing we have here on Earth.
But thanks to this blog and some forums I have figured out that I disagree with at least 98.9% of people on the internet...And don't rightly give a damn if they disagree with me!
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Phil, at Sunday, September 15, 2019
@DrDee
Finally somebody noticed : ) Actually the reason was more like that the name seemed to be free, I sure like Moorcock but I´m not myself bisexual genderbending assassin, sorry. The Invisibles is , IMHO, one the greatest artworks of 20th century. Hmm, it even talked about UFOs... Grant Morrison is one of my favourite comic book writers (reading Animal Man #5 made me cry) and he has a stunning bald head too (I´m jealous). And he knows how to dress. And he´s friends with rock stars. And he can play guitar. (Yeah, I´m Morrison fanboy...)
Moorcock on the other hand was a bit angry because The Invisibles character Gideon Stargrave was a Cornelius-lookalike and he thought that Morrison should´ve rather used Jerry instead (as many others have).
Dancers at the End of Time also gets my vote.
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Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, September 15, 2019
@DrDee
Wow, I didn´t knew that much about Hessdalen lights. Maybe it´s some kind of a very rare natural phenomenon anyway, something that gets different forms around the planet?
It´s always hard to study something we can´t replicate inside a laboratory.
Oh, I forgot, your nom de plume propably refers to John Dee? (Or could be Dr. Destiny, you seem to know something about comics...?)
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Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, September 15, 2019
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