UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, September 17, 2019

The Navy says those UFO videos are real -- not the UFOs, but the videos

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a29073804/navy-ufo-videos-real/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_pop&utm_medium=email&date=091719&
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posted by RRRGroup at Tuesday, September 17, 2019

17 Comments:

  • Of course the videos are real. Rich, don't you see what a Congressional Hearing on this issue could disclose? Two direct questions to the Navy: One, what does your internal analysis of the film determine concerning the nature of the phenomenon?; and Two, how many other films of the same UFOs are there, and what does your internal analysis of those films disclose concerning the nature of the phenomenon?. In short, we know that you must have evaluated these UFOs as a possible threat to the national security. What has that evaluation determined?

    The House has time for all sorts of phony investigations....but no time, apparently, for transparency on the Navy UFOs. 50 years and counting...

    By Blogger Dominick, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • Oh, there's no doubt in mind that the videos depict something odd, UFOs if you will.

    Neither the Navy nor anyone else will say anything more at this time.

    But I agree the Navy knows, and has for years, exactly what it's dealing with.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • How unlikely is the UAP's in question to be Russian or Chinese made?

    By Blogger Dvelys, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • Not unlikely at all Dvelys.

    It's a probability, actually.

    Both nations have spent fortunes trying to create advanced aircraft and ships/subs.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • The UAPs in the Navy videos appear to be similar to this:

    "The following footage shows how the anti-aircraft artillery opens fire on an unidentified aircraft.

    The military believe that it was a UAV spy drone but since this bright glowing UFO moves so fast, stops mid-air, turns instantly, and immediately accelerates to hypersonic speed it is more likely that it must have been something equipped with classified technology."

    http://ufosightingshotspot.blogspot.com/2019/09/iranian-military-shooting-at-fast.html?m=1

    By Blogger Dvelys, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • Dvelys:

    The problem, with the drone idea, is that drones, up to now, have been and are (as best as we have been told) rather unexotic.

    But I'm starting to think that some major, highly innovative turns have taken place in the ongoing development of the things, and they may turn instant;y. stop in mid-air, and accelerate to hypersonic speeds now...all that kept secret.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • So the UAV's could be, let's say Chinese to carry the point, used to press the point to the U.S. government/military, that they've got some amazing technology, and that while they're not using them in an aggressive manner for now, they could.

    I suppose you could posit as well, that black triangles are sent out over populated areas to make the point to a more far-ranging audience, that the U.S. has these things.

    A mostly covert "war" of once in a while show-and-not-tell, of advanced systems designed to make the other side uneasy.

    To me, this is an apt summation: https://treeandneighborlawblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/mrn180516.jpg

    By Blogger Ron, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • What bothers me, Ron, is that I wonder what madness prevails that would keep such technical advancements hidden, when a country could rule the world with a display of such wonderful achievements.

    (Of course, the Russians getting their hands, via spies, on the Manhattan Projects A-Bomb secrets offers trepidations today about telling what we or China or some other major power has in the way of military might.)

    I've seen your linked blog page before. It's a gem.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 17, 2019  

  • Same old videos.

    Flir1 (also called Nimitz, or TicTac) is a fuzzy blob in the distance. It does not move (although it jumps around when the camera changes zoom settings or does a gimbal lock correction). There's what looks like a final "zipping away at high speed" at the end of the video, but it's actually just the camera no-longer tracking the object, combined with a change in zoom that gives the illusion of speed. See:
    https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage-flir1.t9190/

    Gimbal is a saucer-shaped infrared glare. It rotates because the camera is rotating to counter gimbal lock. We can prove this because there are other light patterns in the sky that rotate at the same time the glare rotates. The video is consistent with a jet engine several miles away. it does not have any sudden acceleration. See:
    https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333/

    Go Fast is what looks like a cool object moving rapidly across the surface of the ocean. However, the angles and range on the screen allow us to triangulate the position and speed of the object. It turns out it's actually moving quite slowly (under 50 knots) and is quite high (13,000 feet). It does not accelerate at all. In fact, it most closely resembles a balloon, or possibly even a large gliding bird. See:
    https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-footage-from-tom-delonges-to-the-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/

    From:
    https://www.metabunk.org/why-michio-kaku-is-wrong-about-the-ufo-burden-of-proof-navy-videos.t10912/

    Further: It appears that the Gimbal video, and the Go Fast video, were taken by the same aircraft, by the same pilot, on the same mission, and less than 20 minutes apart."

    So much for these same old leaked "UAP" videos (2004 and 2015) showing anything interesting, much less extraordinary.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • -> What bothers me, Ron, is that I wonder what madness prevails that would keep such technical advancements hidden, when a country could rule the world with a display of such wonderful achievements <-

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    Well, the thought could be, that more than "one Country" could have this new and hidden technology,and because of this, no one is prepared to start something, that could get out of control, not knowing; "Who has got what, and where!?"..

    And Rons point is well taken:-> So the UAV's could be, let's say Chinese to carry the point, used to press the point to the U.S. government/military, that they've got some amazing technology, and that while they're not using them in an aggressive manner for now, they could.<-..

    And I might add, WHO or what Country, might have a base or bases, on our moon & Mars? etc.[covertly]..If Rons point is correct, Considering; [Gary Mckinnins Computer Hacking of NASAs Computers] He claims he saw the names of some, Captains and Ships[Space Craft]..so just maybe,there is something aloft, with the powers that be!?......?

    By Blogger Daniel, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • The Navy now claims the videos are authentic and laments they shouldn't have been released. As usual, there's confusion and no real answers to hang your hat on. Which is how a well run disinformation/muddy the waters campaign should work. Whoever is running the show, and it is a "show," has learned well from their daddy and his early UFO day's denial/ridicule/obfuscate operations.

    Then again, maybe that's what "they" want you to believe. It's all just ludicrously funny.

    By Blogger Ron, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • Ron:

    What if the current statements are a diversionary tactic -- hinting at an exotic explanation (even an ET explanation) to throw off U.S. enemies or divert them from seeing or thinking the things seen and inadvertently released are U.S. built, highly advanced aircraft or drones.

    The videos don't show weather balloons but UAPs that may be ET ships but NOT advanced military devices.

    It's an anti-disclosure ploy.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • The UFO story has provided cover for advanced earthly tech since early Cold War days. Certainly the more chaos that gets thrown into the disinformation operations(s), which includes limited hangouts and select info dumps, the better. The endgame is to make the interested observer so frustrated -- and more importantly, inactive -- that he just gives up, and "they" can continue to do whatever it is they do, without consequence. Hell of a way to make a living, if you ask me.

    By Blogger Ron, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • I couldn't agree more Ronald.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, September 18, 2019  

  • >> The Navy now claims the videos are authentic and laments they shouldn't have been released. As usual, there's confusion and no real answers to hang your hat on. Which is how a well run disinformation....<<

    No, the Pentagon has said all along that it never released any videos, and that the videos were leaked, this is, stolen. So there was no question of their authenticity.

    What the videos show since they're so similar to previously seen FLIR videos became fairly obvious, if not certain, with a bit of analysis. There's no mystery here.

    So stolen mundane videos, one with a phony sensationalist voice-over, forced into a "UAP" context by connecting them with unrelated "UFO" stories by the confirmed ETHers at TTSA is all that's going on here. Which is exactly what skeptics have said all along.

    >> what "they" want you to believe <<

    But now that no more phony "mystery" can squeezed out of them, defaulting to the nonfalsifiable "government conspiracy" angle is all that remains--always the final refuge of "UFO" myth-makers.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, September 19, 2019  

  • >> No, the Pentagon has said all along that it never released any videos, and that the videos were leaked, this is, stolen. So there was no question of their authenticity. <<

    That's not what I said. Here's the opening line to the story linked below: "The U.S. Navy has for the first time reportedly verified the authenticity of a series of three UFO videos leaked over the past two years and insisted the footage never should’ve been made public."

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/navy-confirms-ufo-video_n_5d81a695e4b0849d47201128

    This is what I said. I have no idea what you think you're responding to.

    Just to be clear, my "'what they want you to believe'" is written tongue in cheek, so of course I don't identify with the myth-maker remark -- just in case there's any further misunderstanding.

    Always fun talking at you.

    By Blogger Ron, at Thursday, September 19, 2019  

  • >> No, the Pentagon has said all along that it never released any videos, and that the videos were leaked, that is, stolen. So there was no question of their authenticity. <<

    Hey Ron! That's what I said. There's nothing new here.

    So the first line of some sensationalist media trolling is irrelevant to the two years of investigation and analysis by good skeptics who have had this entire AATIP and TTSA SCAM completely debunked practically from the get-go.

    And the Navy has been clear all along as well. It has new rules for pilots reporting "UAP" in Navy areas of operation. And since that doesn't apply to areas outside, it's pretty clear what the Navy thinks of the traditional idea of "UFOs": There is no equivalence! The Navy is more interested in its pilots' operational perceptual abilities and psychology under stress than any real physical "UAP".

    Further, the Pentagon has flatly stated that it will have no more to say on the subject. Which is a major blow to DeLonge's ridiculous pronouncements, since this latest media hype for which he claims credit is not only NOT news, the Pentagon will provide no more fodder for his ETHer "UFO" disclosure hype. Which was never anything but about the money for Corporation Tom, the utter fraud, anyway.

    Yes, I thought you were halfway goofing, but I had to play "PsyCop" anyway! Hahaha!

    Always fun talking at you too! Best.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, September 20, 2019  

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