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(Forgive me that paragraph, but I was stunned by the “go back to past efforts just for the glory" – weak as it was – and not for anything else.)
My pal Dominick was irked by my note yesterday [1/29] that there are no UFO “experts” and never were, Dom citing Dr. James McDonald who fought the good fight on behalf of the phenomenon but committed suicide for reasons always obscure when one takes their own life, often prematurely.
Dr. McDonald was a brilliant advocate for the phenomenon, at a time when the general public and UFO skeptics were ballyhooing the silliness of witnesses and believers.
But, as I responded in a comment, Dr. McDonald was no expert – there is no such thing.
There are UFO hobbyists but no bona fide experts – not even the noteworthy Jacques Vallee. He, also brilliant, but just as confused by the UFO phenomenon as we peons are.
A few UFO aficionados who are relatively unknown or noteworthy continue to wrangle with any view that doesn’t support theirs. They think they’re experts but don’t even show up when UFOs are broached in public or even private venues, such as those Facebook UFO groups or podcasts that are now ubiquitous.
UFOs don’t allow, and never have, expertise. The phenomenon is too enigmatic or profound for the lowly I.Qed mentality of UFO enthusiasts.
Even the adoring pastiche pile of academics who’ve jumped on the UFO bandwagon are far from the expert category. Their interest is too new and too esoteric to comprehend the significance of the UFO phenomenon.
The only academic I find with any worthiness is Avi Loeb but, he too is no expert, just an interesting tyro, who is confounded by the phenomenon because a UFO – the odd oumuamua intrusion -- entered into Loeb’s bailiwick, our solar system and the astronomical milieu Avi’s expertise does lie in.
I’ve followed the flying saucer/UFO things for more years than almost everyone now pursuing the phenomenon. I am, surely, no expert, just a critic of the assumed vanity of those who’d like to be an expert of anything, failures all, at that which makes life significant and notable.
There are no UFO experts. And we who are UFO hobbyists have got to accept that, or else we are followers of cultists and ignoramuses who keep us afloat with their repetitious returns to once-upon-a-time minor glories they had when they got something printed in a magazine or a mention in other media.
UFOs will continue to intrigue and awe the masses, but no one will get a handle on what they are, unless a government agency or military construct offers their take or accumulation of UFO goodies.
And even that is without expertise. UFOs do not allow “experts” to fathom what they are.
Their mystery is inherent and beyond the scope of our cro-magnon minds.
RR
posted by RRRGroup at
Monday, January 30, 2023
7 Comments:
As a long term hobbyist, l have the impression there is little work on trying to create a useful (even operational) definition of "the phenomenon". It's a handy term to reference a lot of things that cover so many disciplines and ways of thinking, that it always seems, well vague. What would be needed to decide what is and is not to be included in the phenomenon? If we're had a handle on that then perhaps a notion of real expertise could emerge? The nature of reports varies culturally and geographically. Qualitative analysis of experiences may be a start, but there is no real control over the taking and publishing of reports, and again what are we looking for? So I get it when you say, go to the hardware. But at this point even that may defy understanding....
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Cwc, at Monday, January 30, 2023
It boggles the mind how little useful data is available after all these years, at least for public consumption. I have doubts even the secret stuff would reveal much. I doubt there are experts anywhere. Cwc is right: we can't even define what we're looking at or for.
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Ron, at Monday, January 30, 2023
For centuries most smart people believed that "rocks could not fall from the sky." Must be witchcraft; observations cannot be trusted; the events are not repeatable, etc. But as the science of astronomy advanced and as the rocks came to be studied more closely, it became clear that rocks, could indeed, fall from the sky. I disagree with Ron. The military/intelligence community has been studing UFOs ("falling rocks") for almost 76 years and they sure as heck know what they are, although they still may not understand origin or intent.
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Dominick, at Monday, January 30, 2023
Someone, somewhere knows a lot about UFOs and the obvious venue would seem to be the U.S. Air Force or Navy, as I believe, even the Army (who was on site in Roswell) -- the military or the C.I.A. or an agency of a very secret kind.
The phenomenon has been too overt, too blatant to have gone unnoticed seriously by government groups here or in other sophisticated countries.
That no one has spilled the beans -- as happened with The Pentagon Papers or Snowden -- baffles.
There had to be, in the history of the phenomenon, a whistle-blower, smart enough to outwit assassins or agents sent to get them, as they did with Forrester or Jessup, even Ruppelt.
There have always been "deep states" -- as loopy as the new Rightists make it seem: deep states in kingdoms, religions, universities, commercial entities, societal groups of every kind.
But someone has always "leaked" information to someone: a colleague, a lover, a relative but not when it comes to UFOs.
That's another matter to contend with.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 31, 2023
Agreed, it's very curious that no one has broadcasted either overtly or covertly what is known. It's always been my humble opinion that no governmental agency could keep something a secret...our government leeks like a sieve and has done so since it's very founding.
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Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, January 31, 2023
The Lazar story is so whacked out by the pros and cons of it that we'll be hard put to get to the real truth of the guy.
Like Travis Walton, if Lazar is hoaxing, it's a good one.
The upside-down reality of what we are being fed, from varying sources, all with an agenda, Cwc, is a story unto itself, as you imply.
And "consciousness"? That is another topic that has soared to the top of the debate barrel.
RR
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RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 31, 2023
Whatever the authorities know, their unparalleled disinformation campaign and coverup shows their level of concern. It can be taken as their unstated official position on the subject.
Rich has talked about how the government has become an intrusive and controlling entity, and the lack of leaks flows from this. They've pulled out all the stops to keep this contained.
It's fear.
(LOL. I didn't mean for this to come across as so melodramatic.)
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Ron, at Tuesday, January 31, 2023
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