Curt Collins provided, on Facebook, this link to a review of the Carter/Elizondo podcast noted here the other day

https://keithkloor.substack.com/p/yes-were-living-in-upside-down-world?fbclid=IwAR2mAg6RxgpZHn3xIN2Nsmo

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