UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, October 11, 2022

Orbs as living entities?

Recently a fellow provided some orbs for his group on Facebook.

I commented that I wasn't interested in orbs. He responded "They are alive. Like you and me they are alive."

Then I got a note from Tony Bragalia, showing me some orb photos he received from one of his fans.

I replied they looked like living creatures and he thought so too I think.

This all reminded me of a piece in UFOs in the Roaring Twenties by Noe Torres and John LeMay that I mentioned here: a tale of cowpokes experiencing what appeared to them as flying disks they encountered on a Western butte, "UFOs" that appeared to be living creatures.

I took a photo of the book pages providing the tale, for Tony.

I'm adding those photographed pages here, for your thoughts about the story, The pages should show up on your computer large enough to read easily:

RR

From José Antonio Caravaca

Hi Rich apparently the study of Juan Antonio Jiménez Sánchez de la Profesor titular Departamento de Prehistoria, Historia Antigua y Arqueología Doctor en Geografía e Historia por la Universidad de Barcelona has determined that the name Magonia is a mistake made by Agobardo in his text. really the term would be Maonia. Interesting. 
 
MAONIA???? 
 
Copyright 2022, José Antonio  Caravaca
 
No. I was not mistaken when I wrote it. Magonia, the mythical kingdom that inspired Jacques Vallée for the title of his book Passport to Magonia (1969) never existed, at least not with that name.
 
An interesting study by Juan Antonio Jiménez Sánchez of the Department of Prehistory, Ancient History and Archaeology, PhD in Geography and History at the University of Barcelona, shows that it was probably a mistake by Agobardo de Lyon when transcribing the story of some villagers who told him about beings that with magical arts stole their crops.
 
In a documented work entitled "Magonia or Maonia? On the origins of the name of a mythical land" (25/06/2020), Jiménez Sánchez said that: "The name of Magonia, the mythical country from which some flying ships arrived whose aeronauts carried away the fruits fallen by the action of hail, has become extraordinarily famous in recent centuries, especially among the ufologists of the 20th century, who have tirelessly cited it as an example of UFO sightings in medieval times.
 
However, this oft-repeated name actually corresponds to a hapax [said only once] that we only document in Agobardo of Lyon, who cites it on a single occasion in his De grandine et tonitruis (written ca. 816).
 
After the discovery of Agobardo's works in 1605, the toponym gained in importance to the point that the famous ufologist Jacques Vallée entitled his best known work Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers (1969); moreover, one of the best known magazines on the subject is also called Magonia. Florus of Lyons (ix century) also included the name of this land in a scholium to a work by Augustine of Hippo, although on this occasion the deacon of Lyons called this land Maonia as well as its inhabitants Maones -Agobard, on the other hand, only alluded to the name of the land, but never to that of its inhabitants, who by logic should be "Magonians"-.
 
These differences lead us to ask ourselves what was the original name of this place and how this toponym came to be, questions to which, as far as possible, we intend to offer an answer in these pages".After studying all the historical sources, the historian managed to find the first reference: "The first testimony is documented in the Vita Richarii primigenia, the oldest of the biographies we have preserved about Ricarius, the founder of the monastery of Centula (today's abbey of Saint Ricarius, in Picardy) ca. 625.
 
According to Albert Poncelet (1903, 184), the writing of this uita should be placed at the end of the 7th century. In its second chapter, the anonymous author narrates the conversion to Christianity of Ricarius thanks to the preaching of Ficor and Caidoc, two Irish missionaries who had come to evangelize the county of Ponthieu. However, once there, they were received in a hostile manner by the inhabitants of the territory, who accused them of being dusi - the name given to witches - and hemaons. They were saved from the aggression of the locals only thanks to the timely intervention of the young Ricarius (...)
 
 
As we can see, the name hemaones appears here associated with the theft of crops. This association is confirmed in other sources of the following century". Another source found by the scholar corresponds to the missionary monk Pirminius that his work Scarapsus (Composed in the second quarter of the 8th century between 725 and 750). In chapter 22: "Pirminius censured some of the customs that the Christians of his time had inherited from their pagan ancestors. Among them was the belief in the tempestarians, individuals capable of provoking storms with their will alone. Pirminius also asked the faithful not to give anything to those who claimed that the maons could take away the fruits of the harvest - and that, consequently, in exchange for payment they could prevent them from being stolen". The references to the term mauones continue: "We also document this term with slight differences in the other testimony of the viii century. It is an anonymous sermon that has not yet been fully edited. It was partially published by Wilhelm Levison in 1946 (...)
 
In a passage of this sermon, the anonymous preacher begs his listeners not to believe in mauons, who are said to be able to steal crops, since this is a superstition inherited from the pagans that anyone in his right mind would reject without hesitation (...) In this case, the dialectal variant corresponds to mauons, but the meaning remains the same: thieves of crops by magical means".-The name Magonia would have been created and Latinized from the first part of maganwetar, which would have lost its second half". And were they magical beings: "Monica Blöcker (1981, 124) connected the name Magonia with the maones spoken of by Pirminius and considered that these crop thieves were linguistically and factually appropriate to the country of Magonia ("Zu dem Land Magonia passen sprachlich und sachlich die maones, die Ernteräu[1]ber").
 
Karl Heidecker (1995, 179) also made the same association and raised the interesting question as to whether perhaps, underneath the belief in the maones - the itinerant criminals suspected of stealing the harvest through their demonic powers - what was actually hidden was the fear of the vagabond people who were thought to cheat and steal the harvest in order to make a living." He only said that they came to the diocese of Lyon in ships that flew over the clouds in order to carry away the fruits fallen by the hail, which in turn had been caused by the storms; he did include, however, the name of his native land. But it is very likely that when he heard that the peasants told him that his name was Maonia, Agobardo thought that this name did not make any kind of sense (perhaps because he considered that the rustics did not pronounce it well?), so he decided to modify it in order to give it some logical meaning. And considering that the Maons were magicians, Agobardo thought that his homeland should be called Magonia, that is, "Land of the Magicians", and so he wrote it down in his work.
 
Consequently, this name had an eventful history. It had its most remote origin in a real toponym -Hemonia (or Thessaly), the cradle of magic-, to later lose this generic component -so that the Hemaones or Maones would be just another category of magicians- and recover it in the 9th century with Agobardo, through the creation of the name of a land already absolutely mythical and fabulous, Magonia, the place from which some ships came flying above the clouds". Passport to Maonia ....
 
JAC

The Calamitous or Paradisical solution to what UFOs are

Copyright 2022, InterAmerica, Inc.
If it turns out that UFOs are not a Earth-oriented phenomenon – and it appears that this may be the case – the public (the great unwashed mass) will not panic, as the CIA indicated way back when (1953) as noted in its Robertson Panel paper:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_Panel
 
Society will attune itself to the truths presented by UFO explanation; that is, whatever materials, thoughts and realities come from what is inside UFOs, humanity will become obsessed with that inside denouement – the reality of the other.
 
Depending on the UFO “content,” people will scramble to be a part of or drop everything to experience the unique otherness that has come their way.
 
Just as being cooped up by the COVID shutdowns changed how people saw their work lives, driving many to reconsider how they earn a living, a disclosure of what may be possible by way of an “alien” (not necessarily extraterrestrial) existence could cause – would cause – more than a disruption in how people live but would eliminate the vicissitudes of capitalistic enterprise and sustenance.
 
Human beings would no longer be subject to survival conditions superimposed upon them by work as it has evolved to sustain living.
 
Examples of other-living would be nabbed by those who are required by existence to work as the support mechanism for their lives and that of their families.
 
Pandemic shut-downs would pale in light of living-standards far and away from what has developed by the so-called Industrial Revolution.
 
How one derives sustenance should come from whatever UFOs portray. How to live differently will waylay any (and all?) methods of past endeavors used to survive.
 
People would panic. And social media wouldn’t die (unfortunately) but thrive as the public rushes to comment on their new, pending life-styles.
 
No, panic is not what UFO-reality brings. Rather it will bring a demise in how people decide to exist, perhaps in ways exciting and upward, or stupidly, in ways yet to be determined or imagined.
 
RR