A new Roswell "Witness"? [From Philip Mantle via Facebook]

Philip Mantle

ROSWELL – 70th ANNIVERSARY

A NEW WITNESS EMERGES - EXCLUSIVE

By Philip Mantle

The new book UFOs TODAY – 70 Years of Lies, Misinformation and Government Cover-Up by Irena Scott PhD contains a large amount of controversial and thought provoking information as the title of the book might suggest. If I were a gambling man I would bet on one piece of information in this book being the most controversial within its pages. With it being the 70th anniversary of the Roswell Incident, an event that many claim was the crash of a space vehicle from an ET origin, the news that an alleged new witness emerging might not be that big a surprise. This new information has never been released before and is published in this book for the first time ever.

The Roswell File and Charles H. Forgus.

In 2012 I was contacted by a gentleman called Scott Ferguson. Scott was part of a production company called White Tiger Films. He explained to me that he had some information on the Roswell Incident that he would like me to take a look at. I had first to sign a non-disclosure agreement which I did. Once this was signed I was sent what Scott called his ‘Roswell File’. He was looking to possibly make a movie based around this file and asked if I could help research the alleged witness. I of course agreed. The ‘Roswell File’ consisted of a transcript of an interview with the alleged witness Charles H. Forgus, a video interview with him and a photo as well. The story of how White Tiger Films obtained this material is I would say quite unique.

The witness to the Roswell crash scene was Deputy Sheriff Charles H Fogus of Howard County, Texas. He was interviewed in 1999 by Los Angeles private investigator Deanna Short. Deanna recorded the interview on video and later had a transcript done of the interview and completed her Agency report to verify facts at that time related to Charles Forgus and Sheriff Jess Slaughter - both of Howard County, Texas.

Sheriff Jess Slaughter and Deputy Sheriff Charles Fogus were allegedly travelling together in early July, 1947 from Texas to Roswell to pick up a prisoner when they happened on the Roswell crash scene in New Mexico. Both were there and were on an overlook to view the crash scene recovery by the Army. I should note that according to Deanna's daughter Mackenzie, Charles made a special effort to note to Deanna "not to believe what others will say - he and the Sheriff did witness the Roswell crash scene". They had heard about the crash on the police radio which enabled them to find the location.

Deanna is now deceased but her daughter Mackenzie Christian has kept Deanna's files that include the Roswell case which includes the video interview. Robert Short is Deanna's son. Both Mackenzie and Robert are themselves experienced investigators having worked along side there mom in years past. Robert has taken up the work to investigate both Sheriff Jess Slaughter and Deputy Sheriff Charles Fogus.

In 1999 Deanna verified the background, including living relatives of both law enforcement individuals that existed at the time and documented that in her agency intelligence report.

I will produce here the transcript of the interview with Charles Forgus which was conducted in 1999. Some words have been redacted but not by me but by Deanna Bever.

THE TRANSCRIPT

C.Fogus Statement

REGARDING

The Roswell Incident – July 1947

D. Bever

Complete Tape Transcript

Mr. Charles Forgus statement taken on Monday, June 21, 1999 at 11:30 A.M. Transcribed from audio cassette tape on June 22, 1999

LR: What I’m trying to do is pierce together……

CF: I was working for the Sheriff of . I was a Deputy there for Sheriff Slaughter, was back in the 40’s. We went to Roswell to pick up a prisoner. When we got there, the land was covered with soldiers. They were hauling a big, a creature. Hauling him away.

What I seen of him looked just like the one we see on television, with big eyes. There was a big round thing in the canyon. It was about 100 feet across. They put that on a truck and hauled it away. They wouldn’t let us get very close to it either. So we headed up to get the prisoner in Roswell and back to.

LR: So you were on your way from to Roswell to pick up a prisoner and you happened to be at that place……

CF: It already had crashed. They were taking them out. There were soldiers there….about 3 or 4 hundred of them. They wouldn’t let you get very close. They were keeping all the people away. People were coming out there.

LR: What did the saucer (we’ll call it) look like?

CF: It was a big round thing. Across the middle it was about 100 feet.

LR: Did you see any lights around it?

CF: No, they went out when it banged into the wall in the creek. It was like a mountain on the side of the creek.

LR: Did you see any creatures: How many did you see?

CF: Yeh, I saw them. I think I seen about four (of them).

LR: were they covered up?

CF: Mostly. I saw the legs and feet on some of them.

LR: What did the feet look like? Do you remember?

CF: They looked like our feet.

LR: Could you figure how tall they were? They were laying flat, Right?

CF: Yeh, There is one thing I do remember. The Great Father didn’t just make this planet…. He made all of them. He put beings on these planets just like he put us on this one. They’re smarter then we are. They can get from there to here, but we can’t get from here to there.

(Note: CF is rather deaf. He wears two hearing aid appliances in this ears, so he answers my questions as follows

LR: Why do you think they’re here then?

CF: I don’t know where they hauled them. They might have hauled them to the hospital or somewhere.

LR: How long were you and Sheriff Slaughter at that site after you arrived?

CF: About 30 Minutes?

LR: Did you tell anyone about it?

CF: The Army was there and military soldiers were there.

LR: Did they tell you not to say anything?

CF: No, they didn’t tell me nothing’. They wouldn’t let you get close to ‘em.

LR: Did they actually see you observing what was going on?

CF: Sure, they saw me lookin’ at them.

LR: And they didn’t tell you to not say anything…..

CF: No, They wouldn’t let us get close to them. We were about 10 away.

LR: You were that close?

CF: We might have been further away. I didn’t have glasses then, I could see pretty good.

DB: What was your official capacity then?

CF: I was a Deputy The County Seat was I was riding with the Sheriff when we went to get the prisoner.

He didn’t order nobody except me to go with him. The UFO was already down when we got there. We went and got the prison afterwards. We heard about it on the radio.

LR: What did you hear on the radio?

CF: That the thing had crashed.

LR: But they didn’t know what ‘the thing’ was?

CF: No. But you would think that when people hear something like this, it scares the heck out of them. This came out of the POLICE RADIO. We were on the way through there (to pick up the prisoner) when we heard it on the police radio. It was a big distance from to Roswell...you can look on a map and see it.

LR: So let me ask you this. When you guys were driving down the road and you were listening to the police radio……

CF: Yeh.....

LR: Do you remember what was said on the radio about whatever it was... Do you recall?

C.Fogus Statement

CF: All I remember is they said that a saucer crashed out there in the canyon.

LR: They actually said the word ‘saucer’?

CF: They can call it a saucer if they want to but there ain’t a big enough cup of coffee for that thing.

LR: How long do you think you were at the site? (Note the cookoo clock goes off at noon)

CF: Probably about 20 minutes. We seen them haul them (the bodies) out there, out of the canyon up to the trucks….puttin them on the tow trucks so they could haul them.

DB: Did anyone try to get you to leave the scene.

CF: No….they told the Sheriff that we had to go. That was good enough for us….He’s the boss.

LR: When they were taking the beings (we’ll call them), were the beings laying on the ground around the saucer?

CF: Yeh, they were lifting them up with a crane that they had and picking them up and swinging them to put them on the truck. The bodies must have been 5 feet tall.

LR: Did you see the heads?

CF: Yeh….they were covered. They eyes looked like the ones we see on television and the pictures of them.

LR: What color was the skin?

CF: As much as I could tell….the skin was a brownish color…. Like they were in the sun too long.

LR: From the time it crashed until the time you got there, do you know how much time went by? From the time you heard it on the police radio until you got there?

CF: About two hours.

LR: Did you see any writing or engraving on the saucer?

CF: I wasn’t that close to it?

LR: If you were say 12 feet away from the beings, how far were the beings away from the saucer. Were they thrown pretty far?

CF; We couldn’t see that well because of the trees. It was in a riverbank. It slammed into a river bank. I say them lifting one up with the crane.

LR: Did anyone else talk to you about what was going on?

CF: There were some solders, but I don’t think they were from the Air Force.

LR: Where do you think they were from then?

CF: I don’t know. They were wearing uniforms. I didn’t pay no attention cause I just wanted to go with the Sheriff to get the heck out of there before something happened.

LR: When you guys were in the car to go pick the guy up, did you discuss or talk about what you had seen with the Sheriff?

CF: No. I didn’t know what they were and he didn’t either or where they came from or nothin.

DB: Did you see any blood on the bodies?

CF: I don’t know…. I guess they were dead.

LR: You’re 81 years old now. When and where were you born?

C.Fogus Statement

CF: I was born in I don’t know what city.

LR: You have been in the

CF: I sure have, before I became a Deputy Sheriff.

LR: So when this thing at Roswell happened, you were already out of the Army and were a Deputy Sheriff. That happened in 1947. Now it’s 1999. That was 52 years ago, Charlie. And you still remember it clearly?

CF: Yeh, pretty clear.

LR: Has anyone ever talked to you or asked you to talk about what happened...like to the Government, cause there’s a lot of research going on now because of the cover-up.

CF: There was one that came around, and I told him to shut up and not come around. I don’t know who they were. That was when I was Deputy Sheriff.

LR: When you saw the saucer, can you remember in your mind what it looked like. Can you draw it?

CF: No….you draw it?

(Note: Charlie had LR draw because he broke his arm and can’t use it). He directed LP to draw a circle (not an oval). Then he directed LR to draw another circle with the circle. This was a drawing of the top of the saucer. Charlie was standing on top of the opposite side of the bank of the dry creek bed where the saucer had crashed.

LR: Were you standing above it?

CF: I was standing on the back side. The saucer hit the bank on this side of the creek and I was standing on the other side of the bank, at the top of the hill. I was looking down at the site.

LR: So you had a ‘bird’s eye view‘, that’s why you were able to see the top of it?

CF: I didn’t have a ‘bird’s eye, I’ve got my own eyes (he laughs)

LR: LR shows Charlie the drawing. LR says, if this is the top (of the saucer), how much higher were you.

CF: Probably about 20 feet above it.

LR: So, that’s why you saw the top (of the saucer). And you say, that from here to here (across the top of the saucer - diameter) is about 100 feet.

CF: It was evenly round.

LR: So it was absolutely round…. Not oval shaped and you were 20 feet above it, that’s why you saw the top.

LR: did you see the fingers and hands?

CF: No, they were covered up. But I saw the head.

LR: But you said you saw the feet.

CF: Yeh, later on, when they were passing by I saw the feet. I could see them lifting it up with the crane. They wouldn’t let you close enough when they were puttin’ them into the truck. When they were liftin them on the crane you could see them layin’ on that thing.

LR: You said the body was covered. Were the arms layin on the stomach under the cover?

CF: When the wind blew, the cover went back so you could see the face. The same way with the feet.

End of Interview

INVESTIGATION

I wish to make it clear that I am open minded with regards to the veracity of what Charles Forgus has claimed. I dare say many of those that know far more than me about the Roswell Incident will write it off as it does not fit the known Roswell crash scenario. All I will say is that I am working to try and find any more information and I leave this ‘Roswell File’ open. If anyone reading this has any information concerning the Roswell Incident we urge them to get in touch.

UFOs TODAY – 70 Years of Lies, Misinformation and Government Cover-Ups by Irena Scott PhD is out now on Amazon.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

Philip mantle is the former Director of Investigations for the British UFO Research Association and is the founder of FLYING DISK PRESS. He can be contacted at FLYING DISK PRESS:

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